Design Notes

NO TRADE IN AQW

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One of the most common questions/suggestions that we get is about adding Trade to AQW.

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I know that I'm on the OMNI team now but the answer is the same now as it was back when I was working on AQW. We wish we had expected AQW to get as big as it did, because then we would have added it in when we were laying the groundwork. It's already something that we are heavily discusing for AQW 3D but for AQW... Trade will never be a part of AQW. 

There are several reasons. 

First, there is nothing in the AQW engine that would allow for trading of any kind so it would take not just writing the new function into the engine but a complete retooling of the entire AQW engine. The ability to give an item to another player is pretty core functionality. It's not something that you can just tack onto an existing game in most cases.  

Second, Flash actually has an actionscript line limit before it can no longer compile. The changes to allow for Trade and to make it secure, as it would need to be, would be a massive addition to the engine and the engine is already large enough that Adobe Flash has issues compiling it. Think of the engine like a slice of pizza. The AQW pizza already has so many toppings that the crust can barely support it all right now. Adding trade would essentially be adding another pizza on top of the first one at which point the pizza would then collapse under its own weight. Then you'd have to eat pizza with a fork and who want's to eat pizza with a fork? Mutants and losers, that's who. 

Third, having a reasonable trade system means having a balanced economy in-game. Gold rewards and item sale prices would have to be normalized across the game to make gold a reasonable currency with which to trade. This would mean going back over the game and retooling EVERY SINGLE quest, item price, monster kill award and shop by hand, one at a time, to balance the economy. All that could only take place after the math was done to figure out what changes would need to be made to make the ongoing economy viable. 

Fourth, all of this would take the code team a REALLY LONG time and without the coders, there isn't much that the rest of the Devs can do to make a release. While the programmers took the time to do all this and do it right, AQW would probably have limited to NO weekly releases which would make people come back less often which would reduce player count which would reduce sales which would pretty quickly kill the game off. We don't want that. That's bad. 

Fifth, it would pretty much ruin the concept of rarity which still plays a very big role in AQW. Some people would say that it's already ruined but those exact same people have some pretty amazing rare items that they wouldn't part with for all the tea in Teattle (which is like Seattle but has tea instead of coffee), so they can stuff it. People have suggested only making non-rares tradeable but most people wouldn't care about trade unless they could purchase hard-to-find items like rares so that's a pretty bad suggestion. 

Finally and most importantly, the ability to actually trade items would give hackers and scammers a real, actual reason to hack people's accounts. Right now, there's no real reason to do that other than to feel important in a pathetic sort of way and we STILL get THOUSANDS of e-mails a day from players who got "hacked" (read as: gave away their account to someone who promised them something, or tried to trade accounts even though it's against the rules for this very reason). Once the hackers and scammers actually had a reason, one of AQW's biggest problems would get substantially worse overnight. 

It's not impossible. Anything can be done but as you can see there are some pretty HUGE obstacles that make it very improbable. We're not scared of a little hard work and if something changes that someday makes it possible then we'll let you know but for now, it's pretty safe to say that Trade will NEVER be a part of AQW. Tell your friends. 

I hope this clears that up for you.

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eram prince
eram prince: Trade was never part of Aqw and it neevr would be , If There comes any trade option What is the worth Of Rares?
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DerpSonic
DerpSonic: I couldn't agree more. "Hey, want this Blinding Scythe of Destiny? I already have the BLoD, so I don't need it anymore."
SlyCooperFan1
SlyCooperFan1: Artix Entertainment is not scared of hard work. Look at how they're managing all of these games relatively okay. Anyone who doesn't think these guys try very hard at their jobs to do them right really doesn't understand game development. Kudos to you guys for sticking to your guns; while I've wanted trading as a personal desire, I know that it would mess up AQW far too much for it to be a viable option. Thank you for posting this, Cysero, and good luck on Omni!
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Glenn
Glenn: Rightly said, the coders should be working on fixing the bugs already in the game rather then be working on a huge mess of code that would take many months to do as well as be a pain to fix.
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Txxtech.
Txxtech.: Welp that's that.
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Txxtech.
Txxtech.: Plus I like the fact that ya get to brag about the things you've got for your self :3
Wolf Tail
Wolf Tail: Just like there will never be any more lqs, right?
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lord  nitram
lord nitram: why not create a own password if u have to trade, a password that we can make self :3 then hackers cannot trade with anothers account ;)
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Cysero
Cysero: That really wouldn't solve any of the issues outlined above or overcome any of the technical obstacles that continue to make adding trade a practical impossibility. Once the hacker has control of your account, they can go into your account settings and reset your trade password unless it requires an e-mail confirmation to reset it and most players don't have access to their original sign-up e-mail (which is a huge mistake).
lord  nitram
lord nitram: and i see this can be a big chanse for they who have alot of own created accounts, and spare accounts, that can trade items that they want from their old acc to be a smaller part of accounts, that u can delete the old accounts ^^ and to have a trade in aqw can might be helpful for new players that we can give a gift to them, if you are member and a free player want red riding hood, just an example, then u can trade them your red riding hood, and then u can go and do the quest agen and get it self agen ^^ and then the enhansement of that helm be nothing, so the lower level can go in a enhansement shop and upgrade it to their level ^^
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Cysero
Cysero: Yes it would allow for that. It would also allow for the billion other logistic issues that would need to be solved before it could happen like trading items that you only get by unlocking character badges (just make those untradeable) that goes back to why have trade if you can't trade anything desirable.
luna soulfire
luna soulfire: Trading is a foolish idea pure and simple. and the only ones who even want trading to begin with are scammers, hackers, and free to play players because they refuse to use money to buy anything in the game. If you ask me, all this constant whining needs to stop. It is what it is, accept it. or, stop playing the game.
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Zuaro
Zuaro: That is 100% a false fallacy. It's also an assumption. I've played AE games since 2005; starting on AQClassic and working up to AQWorlds. I would love to see trade implemented in one of their games. I would prefer AQW because that's the game where I DID spend a lot of money. I'm actually a pretty avid reporter of people who wish to scam. I'm friends with many moderators and notify them personally of people breaking the rules. I'm not a scammer nor a hacker; and I'm clearly not a free-to-play player as you can tell by looking at the achievements on my character page. I do, however, agree with you that the whining needs to stop and that players should accept it. Players are holding onto false hope for a trade system to be implimented, and it's not going to happen.
BloodWynne
BloodWynne: Thank you Cysero, for once again taking the time to explain things in details that anyone can understand. To be perfectly honest, no trading and fair drops was one of the things I enjoyed about AQW right from the very beginning. IMO, trading would take away something that seems to be unique to AQW, WORK for your pretty things!
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Cysero
Cysero: Thanks for taking the time to read it.
Noletroid
Noletroid: What we should definitely be able to do is transfer some (if not all) of our hard earned and rare items from AQW to AQW 3D
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Cysero
Cysero: From my post titled REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS: Will I Be Able To Import All My Items And Stuff From AQW?
AQW has SIX PLUS years of development behind it.

Six years of weekly releases. Six years of items and classes and NPCs and maps. We've gotten pretty fast at building that stuff in Flash but considering our very small number of staff (and before you ask, we can't afford to hire more) it would probably take SIX to EIGHT MORE YEARS to re-create AQW faithfully in 3D which is obviously too long. So the answer is NO, you won't be able to import ALL of your classes and items.

AQW Rough Day

HOWEVER, some of you have noticed that, since we are usig the AQW login, the Tech Demo imports your name and gender directly from your AQW files. I'm sure that we will use that ability to import SOMETHING from your AQW characters to make the transition more favorable to long-time players.

It's just too early to know any of the specifics.
Flavio
Flavio: It would be nice an option to exchange an item with another player.
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kirtis
kirtis: I definitely want somewhere where i can trade
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Cysero
Cysero: And you definitely might get that in AQW 3D... but never in AQW.
Skylanders
Skylanders: Maybe,they don't like players in AQWorlds (or AQW) trade weapons,pets,armor,helmets,capes and items (Which some of them are boost)..But anyways,I've started AQWorlds Today and learn't every single rule in the game (which some are important)..Thanks for posting this anyways Cysero and thumbs up AE Team!! :D
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Skylanders
Skylanders: And anyways,some told me Im a scammer but I dont really scam..What do I do?Or what and you do if some told you scam but you dont scam?
Dream Warden
Dream Warden: Nothing, if you got reported but did not do anything, you will not be muted or banned.
SeaArcanist
SeaArcanist: You heard them, "Too much work". This is why a small team like Artix will never step up to Big league gaming. I believe they try hard, but I also think they do things just to avoid the hassle. It's not a cowards way out, but it's just a tad bit too laid back. Trust me, 2d drawings can be difficult, and i'm impressed 2d games like this were actually made, kudos to you artix. However, Players need an economy, and if it's "Too much work", that's just a lame of you. i'm not upset that you guys put in you wouldn't do a trade system. i'm just in awe at the fact you said it's too
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Cysero
Cysero: Actually what I said was "We're not scared of a little hard work and if something changes that someday makes it possible then we'll let you know but for now, it's pretty safe to say that Trade will NEVER be a part of AQW." But cool story.
Chronoshift
Chronoshift: Oh Cysero just told you
Evolution7
Evolution7: I agree with the reason up there,cuz it will take bad side in every sector like cyber crime, re-writing the game & all quest, or even will make down of the Game it self forever by add those feutures (trading)in the game. But.... in the other side, add trade house also have benefit in every sector, an ex more famous & Known as well,bigger fans,more benefit on provit (for people who like spent money to make their char look cool), that’s the benefit by AE Entertaiment if succed procced the trade house. So i had some question for Cysero or any programmer, have u ever thinking about make an other website just like LIMITED QTY shop that is also connected by the game server it’s self ,so there are no Huge re-make on the Game or changing a lot of code because it’s in different area , this theory are based on an SHUATMR that moderator can put an item on our bagpack or like we’re buying Item From outside the game from LQS then show up when we opened our book of lore then just like a shop or anything like that. If my word is incorrect please gimme your correction n your comment n left the right reason to make me understood how it could be wrong. Thank’s for your attention N SORRY FOR THE LONGPOST. Btw im still ok if there are no any trade.
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Chronoshift
Chronoshift: Nothing to do with the topic but I like to give a shout out to dragonfable I find the game entertainment and the artist on the games are excellent thanks you for Artix Entertainment for making these games
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Skylanders
Skylanders: Even though,Adventure Quest Worlds (aka AQWorlds or AQW)Team worked hard enough even though they won't let players trade..That's one rule that everyone should read guys!And by the way,good luck on the Omni Team!Thumbs up for AE Team guys and Battle On!
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Freezoe
Freezoe : So if not a trade system why not allow some of the users chances to get Rares? Like you do with moderators, each year moderators are allowed to pick a rare item from AQW no matter how new or old it is. As if give them options to go to any map or have unlimited amounts of acs wasent enough, why not allow a shop where there are old rare items and allow each character to get one of these rares? Of course keep them for acs or gold or whatever price was with the items before. I'm a long time AQW player and even a shop where I could possibly go back and buy the rare items would be a awesome opportunity would it not? And adding in a shop with the items or renamed or coded items isant hard I mean after all you are releasing those horrific navals later this year that might be amusing to the 8-10 year Olds that play this game but not to us 16+ players that want cool armors and to look awesome with our friends. But I cannot do anyothing to make you do this and it probably won't happen but it's a idea and could grab alot of attention for the older players of AQW.
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Dream Warden
Dream Warden: I am not sure where you heard that crazy rumors about Moderators, but know that it is just that. A rumor. A shop of that has been mentioned by Alina on Twitter. No further information available.
DerpSonic
DerpSonic: The effort doesn't seem to be worth the risk, huh? Besides, I've never been fussed about the idea of trading anyway.
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jucocun
jucocun: In fact the biggest fear would not be the haker of number, because when it is accepted trade in both parties should agree, would be very laborious impose new systems or even lag in the game, but come to think of the trade could be done only with items free and gold as well, so it can not allow the trade of items "ac '' preventing the trade of '' Heromarts '' it would be an idea, so I think trade items not '' Ac '' would not be so bad.
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Chronoshift
Chronoshift: And Honestly guy's you think they are lazy they get releases every Friday and on rare event they mess up. And You think this is a good Idea your wrong you would get scammed so much and a value of a item is hard to tell.
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anonymous2
anonymous2: I know this might not be possible, but could you make a secondary flash with a smaller aq engine that saves the items to the account? - just a thought
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Lilish
Lilish: @Freezoe maybe not a shop. But although the chance to get the one rare item in 6months or more. Wheel of Doom was a good idea but so many annoing alpha pirate rank 10 clones c: (poor english ikr)
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armor1991
armor1991: Cysero , at first you dont have to this trade system ingame just remember what you do on orginal AQ item upgrade system. You can make Action House system that work with only AC separate from the game and keep on high taxes! (for server crowd reduction and you can pay for extra trade server with this income too)
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TheOne
TheOne: Is the new date pet rare guys?
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hotdragonslayer
hotdragonslayer: I do not know how many times I have said " If I could give it to you I would" but I think it is bad for a game like this since a lot of good items can be earned and there really isn't anything worth trading since gold isn't hard get and the only thing left would be ac items which a lot of people wouldn't want to give a away. This would give people reasons to hack and scam people and I agree with the no trading.
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SolSena
SolSena: i agree its to hard to put a trade system in AQW even i like it but it hard to us if will do it in AQW.
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MikaHatsune
MikaHatsune: Plz add trading in aqw. I've been waiting for like forever! I will be delighed to trade items and acs and gold with other players! I recomaned it!
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MrSlayerChan
MrSlayerChan: At the same time trade in aqw is no good because if ae will make it then too much hacks for this will be created but its good because you can change with you friends the times that they want or you want :T
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emmsnp4662
emmsnp4662: hmmmmm trading system is good but its suddenly bad for scammers let me suggest legendary rare rarity and rares are cant be trade and then when you trade ac items they can sell it for 0acs so that there is no scamming will happen for legion token? diamonds of nulgath? legion and jugger items are cant be trade also but it will take a long preperation hahaha i agree with trade NEVER COME!
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Hunter_kantelis
Hunter_kantelis: To fix the gold balance you could make it so gold is not trade able, honestly i wouldn't accept gold at all. Secondly- Hackers and scammers will always exist, some of the biggest mmorpg's have these issues but they overcome it, how exactly? By letting people know to trade at your own risk. Look at steam trading, also how in the heck would trading ruin rares? Unless there is a duping glitch there is no way trading could ruin a rare (the functionality of a rare is for it to be limited and awesome, trading does not increase the amount of a rare). Thirdly- You should make a poll, I don't care if there servers were down for months it would be beyond worth it *make the poll to see whether or not people would agree to this and put a pause on membership* You guys are a serious company now and you should include the basics such as trading. If for some reason you guys can see my pain here and magically decide to put on the big boy dev pants you guys should consider rewriting that engine honestly, AQW is not optimized to the least i get crap frames and yet i can run ARMA 3 60 fps max settings in a full server. The point is you guys should do some serious server maintenance, Remove flash maybe implement unity or something else perhaps so that i'm not using my cpu to run an entire mmorpg. I know this is a lot i'm asking but it would be so worth while. If i could loan you guys a million dollars or how ever much would be needed to shut down the servers and implement these two HUGE ideals i would but sadly i'm just a 17 year old boy who use to play this game a lot and cannot play this anymore due to horrid frame rate and a lack of purpose. Please AE Take some time off don't be afraid of change and do something. ;_;
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Gjappy
Gjappy: AE isn't able to do this, AQWorlds has grown to an too big game to implement such big changes easily. What you also forget is that the majority of the amount of money that AE needs for other games comes from AQWorlds. If they put it offline for months because of maintenance they would ultimately dig their own grave... because there would be too little income to sustain anything. It is just not possible man.
Hunter_kantelis
Hunter_kantelis: Alright AE listen up *^*
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Stefanuca
Stefanuca: Hey Cysero do you give 4 magic key for treasure chest and do you change random to change your item.....please i <3 SANCTIFIED SET !!!!!!
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Stefanuca
Stefanuca: Cysero & Players like me suggestion? Yesssssssss~ :) Noooooooooo~ :/
Jayviz
Jayviz: Oh man,i was expecting to trade with my friends in real life
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Chalto
Chalto: What I don't think people really understand is what really drives players to play AQW and that's in collecting those rares. Its in the hard work and effort in fighting those bosses time and time again and collecting those resources to earn those rewards. As for event rares, they're stamps of recognition that say "Look! I've been playing this game for so long that I was around for this event and have this cool thing to show for it!" Your rares are like your badges and trophies and accomplishments in game,and being able to trade those away to someone who didn't earn it for something else you didn't earn just kind of takes away the value of it. Collecting and showing off rares and customizing your character some of the pretty key features of AQW and what's made it so successful. So no matter what way you look at it, trade would kill AQW.
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Vergil
Vergil : *note* accidentally pressed enter when doing other comment. There is another reason why trading is bad. Since a new account gets 200 free ac right? Well some smart people would do this: Make new account, Get ac item, Trade ac item to other account, sell ac item, rinse and repeat...Profit. So yeah. Trading is bad.
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